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Interesting…

The problem is, he forgot to add Rickkk......

I can’t wait to watch this

Comic sans???

Great Editing👍

Josef is an absolute genius.. He told Arun he didn't know whether to get Mac or Windows so he ended up getting both lmao

Yes

lmao

thanks for the spoiler

twasn't a spoiler lol @Jonkooo

I was really hoping this video would be about the difference between the OSs since that is the far more deciding factor for user experience

Then, they could've had a 2009 windows machine and iBook to compare the OSes then. That's not the idea of the video. The sole purpose is what their *markets* offer. Though, they did cover major stuff between the two OSes, so (insert shrug emote). I don't think a 2009 windows machine with Windows 11 & an iBook compared could have the same experience as the flagship laptops they've compared here.

That shouldn't even be a factor when both machines can run both os's, also this is about laptops

@Why Not Could say the machines aren’t a factor for the same reason. Hopefully he does a follow up on OSs

@OMGanger  you can't day that because when it comes to laptops, power efficiency is what makes a laptops good, this is what Apple exceeds at

While it's easy to agree with this video, it still boils down to what a user wants. I can't help but feel this was a battle between Apple and Dell instead of Windows which is a tough one. There are 2-in-1s, ultra portables, gaming machines, desktops, touchscreens too just on the windows side alone and these will make me go Windows every single time.

Keep in mind how overpriced Mac’s are. Macs also have 2 in ones, desktops, etc, but they’re overpriced as hell. Even WHEELS for the desktop are $600 where I live

Have you considered doing a video looking into different ergonomic keyboards? I already own three of the Logitec one you showed in this video (work office, home office, home desktop) because I fell in love with the first one that I got. Would love your perspective on other options for keyboards (like the split boards), mice, etc!

That’s such a good idea

It is also important to mention that the XPS also has an OLED display variant. I have one and I can say it's absolutely mental.

I fully agree, but that option makes it quite a bit more expensive unfortunately. At that price point you are competing with the MacBook Pro, which also has a stunning XDR display. Also, I find that the OLED drains the battery a bit faster

I have the HP Envy x360 13.3 OLED... It has the exact same resolution as the Mac here, and having used both side-by-side in store before making my purchase, I don't think I can ever go to a non-OLED laptop any more. The picture quality, the deep blacks, the colour difference is just insane.

yes but its a 400$ option, he wanted to compare at the same price, and with this increase you would have compared to macbook pro, but it has 120hz vrr mini led that can arguabely be better than dell's oled

yes and apple also has the macbook pro m1 pro at the same price as this, which is just better in every way, but he still chose that variant of it. though i do say the oled version of the dell is heeeeeeps more expensive and therefor not really a condender in this comparison

When it comes to customisation, you also can’t forget the array of custom cases and keyboard covers made for Mac in a way that windows can’t because there are far too many different devices when compared to mac

As much as I would like to buy a macbook,for the awesome screen,baterry,sound,optimization it has,the lack of compatibility with apps is in my opinion what makes macbook pretty much useless,I want to be able to use any and every app out there,I am not a person that just sticks to 2 or 3 tools that everyone uses and calls it a day,I need customizability to be able to use apps that were just released and that no one would think of using.

Love your vids

Yeah, it is not for everyone, but assuming that the apps you need are on both platforms then the Macs are simply better. This was not even a fair test as you can get a MB Pro 14 M2 Pro for a similar price to the XPS 15 ATM!

Agreed

get an intel based Mac with bootcamp options.

And this is the first time I feel like arun has a mac bias

I really love what they are doing with the efficiency improvements. Someday it may leave the small scope of Apple uses and go out in the open. Then we all may enjoy it all.

Or else those inefficient Windows users can come and join us on OS X.

OS X is just isn't sufficient for a person that uses everything a PC can be used for. You will never run games + extremely obscure apps there.

I’m not someone who’s tech savvy at all but I do have to use a laptop on a daily basis. I’m on my 4th laptop in 5 years. Trust me, I expected my laptops to last longer. They 2 macs I had both got viruses and became impossible to use. I found they constantly had bugs. For school purposes, because my school uses windows. Macs are not compatible. How files would be saved weren’t in the correct form and I would have to convert it. It was just frustrating. I then got a surface pro, which only last me a year. By far the worst experience I had with a laptop. I don’t know if I had a hardware issue or internal issue. But every-time, I went to use my surface over the last couple of months, it would shutdown and reboot. I had a blue screen saying it ran into a problem. I loved the functionality of the software it ran but it once again became unusable after that problem began to arise. It would also freeze constantly. After all this, today I bought an hp spectre 360. So far I enjoy using it, but let’s see how it does. In all this, if you are a heavy user of Microsoft programs such as word or outlook, do not get a Mac. They are not compatible with each other. Also don’t buy surfaces. I was very disappointed by mine. I hope this hp does the job.

@Sobanya OS X does everything millions of people need. Try again.

@SeanTube2099  I'm not saying it doesn't do anything. Just not enough coverage for my needs. Mainstream uses are a lot of uses. It just doesn't let you step outside of mainstream.

This video gets better when you get further. The latest points are spot on, just a little note: a lot of windows instability is actually not fault of customizability (also mac os is very customizable if you try to do that), but of retro compatibility, and also straight up laziness. Microsoft is keeping some bugs there from windows 7, and tries everything not to touch too much the explorer shell, in order to retain compatibility with software. At some point they really should put their hands on it, it's slow and buggy. And on w11 got worse. Today I improved it by editing some settings and tweaks. These things worked but they're workarounds. Mac OS finder is perfectly stable instead. But it lakes a decent windows management, even using tools like rectangle or magnet. Also, it's easier to use the start menu since it requires a single key, than spotlight, but the searching performances aren't very good. I think in general windows is studied better from a usability standpoint, but then it lacks polish. And so I suffer on each OS I use. I guess I really should consider Linux at some point

Linux is a good option. there are different distros that provide you customizability, or utility, or even if you're a starter.

You mentioned retro compatibility. But did you ever consider retro encabulation? Very important when deciding which of the two to get.

One thing I want to add to his keyboard and trackpad explanation is the thing about palm rejection. When you choose a laptop, you want to test the trackpad out and see if your mouse cursor moves or clicks something while you are typing and your hand goes over the trackpad. If it moves, it's not good, because you don't really want to have the mouse cursor moving around while you're typing. Having used a laptop with not very good palm rejection with the trackpad, I have encountered the unintended moving of the cursor while I am typing, and sometimes it has ended up clicking on some other part of the screen, sometimes interacting with the document I'm typing, which I find a bit annoying.

I can tell you that the macbook pro 14 m2 has excellent palm rejection

Some comments have mentioned this already, but I think the unnoticed deciding factor between these usually comes down to *familiarity*!! Many people don’t want to learn a whole new operating system, even if it might be better than the one they know

exactly, very well said!

Had to switch to mac for this very reason. It's just that much better when it comes to video editing. I Still use windows and almost exclusively use my macbook pro for editing. For everything else windows will always have my heart. .

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Personally, I think that you should’ve used the the Microsoft Surface Laptop 5 to compare with the Mac, so they would both be laptops from the developers of the software too.

I traded in my MacBook Pro for Asus Zenbook 14 i7 and I absolutely love it with no looking back. I don't consider myself to be a technically challenged person, but I continuously struggled with Mac OS. Basic things used to take me much longer to locate in the Mac maze. On the other hand, I find Windows to be much more logical and easier to navigate even for a layman!!

Just got an Asus Zenbook Ryzen 7 and it is absolutely fantastic. The OLED display alone places it leagues ahead of any macbook, not to mention that Windows with PowerToys leaves MacOS in the dust. And it costs a fraction of the equivalent spec mac. Apple is a cult.

​@Ankur Borwankarhow much does your Laptop cost and what is your spec?

It’s all about familiarity, of course Mac would feel like a maze, you’re not used to where to look.

Chrome OS is better than Windows so make your own conclusion

Agreed 100%. I had the same experience. Windows is just better imo.

I use both every day and find MacOS to be pretty frustrating. The dock is so bad and limited. Not sure why they made it so you can only interact with the apps in certain views. Window management is also a nightmare without third party plugins. A lot of this is also because of the limited dock and what you can do with it in a view. Might as well just hide it. And I always hear such good things about the trackpad, but to me it is also kind of frustrating at least compared to the two windows laptops I have. And what is with the scrolling issue in Remote Desktop for servers. I do love the battery life on my m2 pro and performance on most apps is good some even great, but I really only use it because I have to.

These results would have been the same over the past 20 years but really it boils down to what's your budget what you're using it for. As far as budget is concerned if you can afford a mac, probably the best option as I've yet to see a pc laptop with that same easy premium feel. From there it's dependent on the software you use so you don't really have a choice unless you want to learn a whole new set of programs. The other things like compatibility and customization are personal preferences so you'll know which one fits you. Personally I've never liked being constricted by the walled garden and I work on my desktop so that's pc but the lappie I can just use as a mobile device and macs just feels better.

Something I’d like to add is the standby times. I have a thinkpad for work, and a MBP for personal usage. Granted they are not on the same spec range but I’m beyond amazed on how quickly my windows laptop drains while off the plug and asleep. Dies overnight. My Mac? I got about 6 hours of moderate Lightroom Classic usage, starting at 80% charge after it’s been unplugged for 4 days. Absolute mad lad

There are setting you can change for the windows device.

@Savior Unkind I believe a lot of the fixes for the battery drain in sleep mode have been patched out over the years of updates, so now its a huge issue that windows absolutely needs to address

I think repairability should also be an important factor. Apple is soldering SSDs and locking sensors and doing all kinds of shenanigans which make repairs either a nightmare, or so cost prohibitive that buying a replacement becomes a viable option. Perhaps not very important for those who can afford to buy two $1600 laptops, but most consumers don't have that kind of money, and people often tend to go over-budget with laptops because "Its an investment, it will last many years".

exactly the repairing cost for mac is greater mess than buying the product

I want a laptop, which one do u advise me? (Im not rich!😂)

@M K windows

@M Kif your not rich then windows anyway. With apple, your price to performance is shocking. You are just buying it for its looks

They are know for fuckup your own phones in purpose, hire jailbreakers to add their customs features and as you say repairing is a nightmare, remember not long ago not all repair shops will be able to to repair iphones since there is a soft which will know if the hardware part is coming from apple or not

While the performance drop if taking cable of is true, I don't fully agree that it should be labeled as an disadvantage. As you say yourself, it is a power management settings design choice. It is not set in stone, so to say. Of course, windows has this setting usually default as you say, since the power management, heat, noise etc. is so much better in Mac. The only thing I personally like in Macs better than Win and even Linux laptops

My Dell, also machined aluminum, connects the monitor to the keyboard/mainboard structure via plastic connectors which you would not know unless you disassemble the case. These connectors broke on my Dell laptop (and also on a Lenovo). This has never happened on my Apple laptops.

Compatibility is a major factor, not just in software: As a windows user, I always found it easy to connect my device to beamers, smartboards, various sticks, cables and devices to exchange data with. Whereas with Apple, it's always a gamble and most of the time, I would have to install a specific programme on each device to allow data transfer, have a specific adapter which may not even work and be prepared to not be able to execute the programme. Essentially, Windows and Android can both simulate Apple and work with any device; vice-versa not so much.

I think Jozef's editing is clever and fun and informative and fits in with the theme of the channel. Well done! I do believe the tools just enhance his natural talent.

Nah this is probably some of the worst editing I’ve seen on a channel this size that is regarded for its quality. The linear key frames are genuinely painful, the font is… yeah, and the transitions are pretty obnoxious, the entire video just feels a little… off. It’s what you’d expect from a channel with under 100k subs, let alone 16M

I have both Mac and Windows laptops and desktops and while i like the Mac build quality and battery life i'd still pick a Windows computer if i only had to choose one. Windows still does more compared to Mac OS to me,same as iOS compared to Android. They might not have an ecosystem as good and might not be as polished but they're still able to do more stuff even if they're clunky sometimes

You are not testing Mac Vs widows, you are testing Dell Vs Apple

A comparison with a surface laptop would be better and it would be a real windows vs Mac

@Amaru Guadamuz I agree wholeheartedly

@Amaru Guadamuzthis dell is better than most if not all surface laptops.. this comparison is better

now i know the boss wouldn't ever do this but it would be interesting if you installed linux on both and compared them then (also i find it interesting that price was mentioned but didn't show up on the scoreboard)

so tru

One thing to remember is that if you actually want battery longevity you will only charge it to 80%. With a windows laptop you NEED all of those 100% to barely get you through a day but with the Mac I can keep charging it to 80% and not worry about it.

In my opinion, windows customizability should be determined not by whatever random crap you can do with themes and wallpapers, but the software under the hood. Because macos is really just a locked down unix box with addons such as launchd and a fancy gui, you can "customize" macos much more. I have an imac, and because it is unix based, I am running pihole on it (pihole, in case you did not know, is a dns based ad blocker). With windows, however, microsoft had to be all revolutionary with their proprietary "NT Kernel", which frustrates me so much when trying to program on a windows pc.

Regarding the drag window snapping (13:39), it's impossible on MacOS because Windows patented the window snapping feature. You can still get the feature by downloading an app like Rectangle.

they didn't mention you just have to hold the full screen button on Mac though

The xps is a very solid laptop but they tend to have terrible webcams and lots of odd issues when plugged into usb hubs They also tend to have underspecced graphics cards making all of windows very sluggish . Always buy the higher end gpu for dell ultra books or you’ll regret it

The comparison should be between a MAC and an Intel Evo certified windows laptop. That will actually help consumers to choose between one.

On the security side you’re half right. Yes, Mac is far less susceptible to viruses and other attacks. BUT, once a Mac gets infected it’s an absolute horror show because there are also less tools and far less knowledge on how to remove nasty viruses from Macs. Oh and you should have gone with “a subscribe would be MACnificent” 🤭

To be fair macos has very good tools to prevent it from getting to that stage at all which windows still needs to catch up on. To be honest, I don’t think it’s a lot more harder to remove viruses from macs than from windows at least from my perspective

@Game_time I mean, Windows has Smart App Control. What do you think they'd need to add? I think really on macOS, all that stops you is you need to really consciously consent to run a downloaded application ("You've downloaded this from the internet and it's from an untrusted developer, go to system preferences to allow this app to run"), but again, this exists on Windows too doesn't it?

Dell xps is probably the best pc laptop on the market. By a bit. The highest end dell xps 17 with i9 goes neck and neck with highest end macbook pro 16. With a larger, 4k touch screen with smaller bezels and roughly the same body size. This would cost you about 8k to do, but I’d love to see this comparison. Biggest difference here is power efficiency. Even though they both come with 140w chargers. The m2max is more efficient then the i9

Webcam is something not only depends on Camera, but also consider the Processor's rendering power. Intel is not made for processing pictures like smartphones, fortunately Apple concentrated on this part too. That's a good thing.

In my opinion they are both great, I think it’s really just personal preference, if you plan on gaming go with windows, if you want your phone and watch and headphones to seamlessly integrate with your laptop, get Mac, other than that it’s very subjective

I seriously cannot remember the last time I used a track pad. I switched to laptops only way back in 2006, and for the last I'd say at least decade I've always used a stand alone mouse. Currently using the Logitech MX Master 3S. But anyways... I guess in an absolute pinch I'll use it, but I'd be okay if they just removed the track pad completely and gave me a better keyboard. I for one went with the OLED XPS 15. The SD card slot really sealed the deal for me. Plus I just hate everything Apple as well. That whole "walled garden" ecosystem b.s. 🤣

Why is it that msi is getting forgotten by everyone. Their creator series is amazing, especially for editing and gaming. Have a great keyboard as well. The only gripe, is the cooling noise and the charging brick.

One issue I have with this video is that Arun should have played songs for the speaker tests cause if he only shows a video of him speaking for a speaker test, we would only be able to hear the high and mid range frequency performances of the speakers. In addition to that driver performance, sound detail, and bass etc are very important and to test that playing music would have been way better.

I mean, i would choose Windows, because screw Apple Microsoft is a lesser evil though, I'll admit

@LavaCreeperPeople I mean, I would choose Linux, because screw Microsoft

He only wants you to watch his videos anyways😂

@LavaCreeperPeople why?

Risks a copyright strike

Great comparison, though i would point out that you can snap windows on a mac (even if it is an inferior experience.) On most apps you can hold the green maximise key to snap the windows.

Rectangle still has an upper hand on this regard, but imo those really should be built into macos itself instead of needing an external app for these things, even after all these years....

I always enjoy your videos regarding Apple products. But, none of the product comparison reviews has convinced me to switch from Windows or Android technology offerings. I think the primary reasons are design, selectivity, power and hardware and software compatibility of Windows brands like Microsoft Surface, Lenovo ThinkPad and Samsung Galaxy Book. Depending on the use case and your requirements and in my case, I fall into the general use, productivity, student and business category, the Apple MacBook Air is a solid consideration. And I must say when I evaluated Apple MacBook Air 15 inch to the Windows laptops I considered for purchase, Apple did very well, but not the best for my requirements. I compared Apple MacBook Air 15 to my favorite Windows laptops, Microsoft Surface Pro 9, Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga 8th Gen and Samsung Galaxy Book 3 Pro 360. In my evaluation I could have been happy with any of the laptops overall. However, when I considered my requirements specifically, the Samsung Galaxy Book 3 Pro 360 is the best for my requirements. I think in many ways it would be hard to leave Windows based on my experience and selection of brand design, performance and features. In this regard it would be very difficult for the Apple MacBook Air 15 inch to compete. One of the first observations in my regard to Windows laptops to purchase is that all are 2 in1 design laptops. Apple MacBook does not offer anything comparable. For me I am in love with OLED displays and again Apple MacBook Air does not offer this. And there is a real difference when watching high-definition video content. The color and contrast is the best at the moment with OLED. That is not to say the Apple MacBook Air 15 inch is not a very fine display, it is, it is just not the best offering today. I do think the Apple MacBook Air has the best battery performance of the group. That said, I have never wanted for longer battery or performance from any of my Windows’s laptops I have listed. I would suspect my use case enables more than what is needed for performance in this area. Like any comparison there are pros and cons with any laptop decision choice, but in my case, I did not find any in my selection of the Galaxy Book 3 Pro 360 16-inch AMOLED display. Performance is fantastic, keyboard is best in class, touch pad is solid, (though I agree Apple MacBook Air is the gold standard here for most users) ports selection is best on the Samsung Galaxy Book 3 Pro 360. I do think operating system has an impact on my decision. All my apps and hardware are Windows based and in several cases, Apple is not offered with same feature function as on Microsoft Windows software and hardware versions. I would also state when it comes to hardware and software offerings, there is no contest, Windows is the superior operating system platform today. That said, if your use case fits within the Apple MacBook apps offerings, then Apple presents a strong case for consideration. I always consider Apple when looking to upgrade or replace current technology. For me Apple products represent one option with Windows offering many more. And to date Windows and Android offer a more compelling solution. And specifically in my case Samsung Galaxy personal and entertainment products are the gold standard today. Do not get me wrong here, if I were in the Apple ecosystem, I can understand the continuity and convenience of the Apples offerings. But to be honest, Apple is for the most part less aggressive when moving to new and better technology, features and design. The Windows laptops I selected for purchase are a perfect example. All offer 2 in 1 design. All offer touch display, all offer pen support and all offer fast charging standard. In my specific case I use pen support across all my products from my Galaxy smartphone to tablet to PC. Notes and drawings move seamlessly across all my devices. Again, Apple MacBook Air does not offer a native solution here. The ability of the Galaxy Book 3 Pro 360 or any Windows 2 in 1 laptop to convert to presentation mode or laptop mode or tablet mode is a game changer. The business applications are endless! In my evaluation, I like many aspects of the Apple MacBook Air 15 inch, but I found that as impressive as it is, Windows offers a better solution in my use case of general use, productivity, student and business category. I should also say my Windows laptop brands I considered are not the only solutions in Windows, there is HP, Asus, Dell, also offer excellent laptops of 2 in 1 design just to name a few. But it must be said that everything depends on a buyer’s requirements/preference and in my case Windows brand laptops makers offer the best-in-class solution along with Apple MacBook.

i aint readin allat

write down essay instead of a comment: challenge accepted

I found windows to be more versatile when it comes to chips. Found AMD to work very smooth on Windows devices

The 8gb of ram and 512gb if storage is an absolute killer for an editor. He doesn’t care about the fan sound or the display revolution, he needs good software and a good processor/ssd/ram. That’s the ultimate comparison

There should be an added category for upgradability and repairability. Considering most users use their laptop for a long time, there will be issues with components, some might not be good enough for your current use case. Upgrading a laptop can make it last much longer, same goes for repairability. Thats where I think apple would get minus points, their repair costs are so high you might as well buy a new pc

you still can't upgrade CPU and GPU on the Windows machines though, so that argument goes right out of the window. RAM and storage are the only negatives and these don't actually increase performance which is needed as tasks get more demanding. On desktops, yes, full win. The desktop Macs don't even stand a chance.

​@IljasCustoms While you do have a point, RAM and SSD upgrades are still a huge thing for people who want longevity. RAM in some cases can help a lot with performance if you used to have 8/16GB and need more. It's also relieving to know you can upgrade your storage at any point you want, rather than having to get a brand new laptop just to upgrade to more SSD.

the only comment that matters here. but this channel is not very objective when it comes to "apple-fan-boyizm" . SSDs have lifetime span, try to replace one on a MAC - impossible

@anonyless it's not impossible, just very difficult.

It would be awesome to have a macbook for my music work on the go seeing as how Ableton live works on mac, but then again you can rely on apple to fight tooth and nail to make you use logic pro instead. I want to be able to seamlessly transfer files without using any overly complicated and unnecessarily overengineered file system like Mac has. Mac has a file system that works well and appears very clean all the way up until you want to do something simple like accessing your photos through finder. Yikes. Windows absolutely smashes Mac in terms of freedom to actually do what you want in the way that you want to do it. Windows says a .jpg is a picture and a file, Mac says that a .jpg is not a picture, its a file, you also can't store pictures as files because we don't want you to. Its so frustrating.

14:30 yes, but also keep in mind that the people who paid >£1000 for their macs, tend to care for them a lot more. I got a 16gb RAM 512gb macbook from 2017 for £280. Threw a new battery on it from ifixit for an extra £90 and for the price of £370 my mom now has a pretty powerful up-to-date machine that can easily last her 2-3 years with almost no cosmetic wear. Macs are the only laptop brand I can think of that have a very strong second-hand market presence specifically because they tend to live long and if taken care of, can look as good as new even 6-7 years down the line. Even now, you could easily grab an intel i9 32GB RAM, 1TB Storage macbook from 2019 from amazon (renewed, not new but still...) for as low as £1200. For these specs and build quality, the price is not bad.

Id asume Thinkpads are more popular second hand laptops then Macs.

Are you kidding? Your 2017 Macbook won't support the next version of MacOS coming out around November.

You should definitely have used an HP laptop, most especially the HP Spectre 16 x360 with 13th gen. intel processor....it'd have been an easy win in most of the categories

I think the "compatibility" you just mentioned at the end should be worth more than one point. If the specialized software you are buying the laptop to work with is not compatible with mac os or apple silicon chips (which for many instances is the case, at least for engineers), the whole comparison is pointless!

Indeed! I've used both and Mac always has incompatibility issues with different software I use.

I disagree with the Mac keyboard being more likely to cause hand strain. I love that keyboard. It’s the most comfortable I ever used and much better than the ones I’ve ever seen on a Windows laptop

Definitely, I wrote my whole thesis on the M1 Pro without any problems at all

I think you missed an extremely important point here, which is upgradability. I replaced the battery on my 5 year old Dell XPS 15, and it is basically all new. If you are someone who likes some tinkering, you can also upgrade the ram, ssd, wifi card, do repasting and undervolting. I did all that in addition to switching to a linux operating system, and my laptop is performing much better than a new/stock laptop. Edit: Some have pointed out that you can also upgrade on a MacBook, and you are absolutely right! Though for my XPS 15 and other Windows laptops, switching batteries is very simple and I paid about 60€ for a 97Wh battery. Another point is also that you can set the charging limit to say 75% which preserves its life expectancy even more. I am not sure if it is possible on a Mac though.. At the end of the day I think both laptops are amazing, it just depends on what you value more :)

You can upgrade a MB battery though in my many years of using Macs I have never had to. My MB Pro 15 from 2015 still has a healthy battery!

i also replaced the battery on my MacBook Air 2017 and its basically new again

​@andyH_UKyeah for sure bro. But i am pressing 'x' to doubt. Contrary to popular beliefs Batteries aren't magic. Ain't no freakin way ur batteries are still doing good after 8 f yrs.

talking about upgradability using laptop or macbook?? um... think again there is no such thing in these 2 categories

I think you would have been much better off with the 14in MBP. It’s only marginally more expensive, but way better for video in particular.

EXACTLYY

Didn't realize a $700 price increase is "marginal" 😂

@Brandon Gonzales by the time you match ram and SSD values, it is marginal.

eh its about preference i guess... windows is more customizable but mac os is more comfy

I’ve been battling this decision for sometime. By trade I’m a software engineer and use windows, mac, and Linux. The mac is what I use primarily for everything. The command line tools are close enough to Linux, which I use a lot and software compatibility (for what I use) everything works out of the box. Also my electricity bills prefer I run a mac. Either way I do a little bit of gaming but I have a headless windows box for that and for anything that is very windows specific. I also like to mention that mac’s play very well with everything mac. I use an iWatch, iPhone, iPadPro, Mac Mini and the multi device integration is a great experience. Looking forward to the m3 lineup as I will be making some upgrades when that chip lands.

The Asahi Linux is making some good progress making Linus on Mac M1/M2/… a reality. Fedora is now working to implement their work. You will soon get the best of both worlds, top notch hardware with the best OS there is.

I find it frustrating that 'Macs playing well within their ecosystem' is a positive. As if Apple making their devices incompatible or tedious to work with any other devices gives them any points when they don't do it to themselves. It's by design, and it is literally a scam to get you to buy more.

You should do a video comparing Mac to Linux next (using whatever Linux distro you chose but probably Ubuntu for generalisation), to see the reason why the entire internet runs on Linux.

Would be interesting to see, however, Arun knows that this kind of video won't perform well, and he rather wants to appeal to as many people as possible. If he did create a video about Linux, it'll be rather more educational and not a comparison to Mac or Windows laptops.

The only way I will still go x86 is to stick to desktops. Laptops have severe limitations of cooling unless it has enough room for cooling, better fan design and more. I don't think I need to worry with M2 Macbooks when it comes to overheating. Otherwise I'll stick to desktops and have a good tablet such as iPad Pro or equivalent.

Not sure Dell is the best laptop for editing that exists and the fact that you can actually test loads of 0Cs until you find exactly the one that feels, types, etc the way you want it to. My reason for always being a PC person, especially since it started becoming a competition when talking about editing, design, etc which for quite a while it wasn't but now that it definitely is ill always go PC for the fact of choice etc and in the desktop space to me it's not even a competition anymore as try updating your Apple theses days... So it's buy a new one or suffer every time.

The problem here is that this is not "Windows" vs Mac. It's this particular Dell computer. There are so many options available at this price point.

very good point.

True.. Because you can find other laptop that can give the MAC way more run for it's money

The Dell XPS 15 is no slouch, and there are very few options, if any, that will give you a better, smoother Windows experience. Windows feels like it was made for developers and technicians and MacOS always feels like it was made for... people. And I'm someone who has used Windows almost exclusively. But there are things which are hard to deny. In terms of pure, uninterrupted and joyful interaction with your laptop, Macs are just... better.

@Golden Boy smoother window experience? This is why this test is odd. Windows has so many options available for whatever "windows experience" you're looking for. For example: You're a gamer - you go with a more gaming focused option. Mac has...1 option. The Mac. Not to discredit it as it is a great computer in itself, but you are kinda pigeonholed to 1 option. The Dell is something I would never choose as my option, and others might. I use a MacBook every single day for work (music engineering) and can say when it comes to fun and joy out of my computer, that's typically from my PC, not my Mac

​@Golden BoyWindows is really bad for developers when compared to linux and even mac due to drivers, the many quirks of the Windows window manager and much more. Microsoft even kind of acknowledged it when developing WSL.

I love your videos, Aaron; I hope you make more of these type of videos on your YouTube channel.

Bro its arun not Aaron

Every time I tell myself that your videos can't be any better and then you surprise me every time

Definitely need to do a comparison of OS in general. Sure, snapping is great, but what about Desktop switching, multi-gesture stuff, and integration with iPhone. Maybe the real video needs to be comparing "tech ecosystems" like PC+Android+GoogleHome+Google Cloud vs Mac+iPhone+HomePod+iCloud or PC+Android+Amazon Echo+Amazon Cloud stuff

I think I liked the previous style of editing, the font pick is kinda weird for a tech channel, and where is the cool bar on the side, I think that's really helpful. some of the parts like Webcam.exe (4:56) were goofy in a good way and matching what you said. so I think with a bit training to your style, Jozef can be a great editor.

Thank you for the fine, most honest, crisp and on point review, I have watched a lot of Windows VS mac smack down, but you have just done it in a way that is both gutsy and heroic. Personally I am a PC enthusiast and regardless of what anyone says about windows over mac, clearly I envy mac and what it has accomplished over the years and still going ahead, for me PC with windows is where my heart is duly cause of the customization is so great, so thank you for giving us a wonderful treat and make us PC users realise the bitter truth, I was very happy to watch this video and this is why you have earned a thumbs up from my side.

that was not On point review, it wasn't even mac vs windows, apple vs dell u can say.

My only problem is there isn't a lot of scientific reasoning for these. Like you said the displays were really similar but then have it to the Mac just because of resolution. There are still color accuracy, refresh rates and other things for almost every category you have set up.

He gave it to the mac because of resolution and better colors. Refresh rate is the same on both

@Bob Ross He gave it to the mac because he likes the mac and he is used to that screen

@Arrows FCPretty sure he isn't using a Macbook Air so he wont be used to that screen, he gave it because of what I said

@Bob Ross he never mentioned color just resolution and brightness! And again for other categories there are other subtleties that could go either way.

@Off Meta The Macbook has better colour accuracy than the XPS; it doesn't really matter if he mentioned it or not.

I love my Windows. I'll have to settle for the less luxury feel and optimization and I'll take customizability and compatibility any day

You can do the 50/50 split on Mac. Just hold down the green light and select Tile Left, and Tile Right. But that’s it, on Windows you can do corners for a 4-way split. No such luck on Mac without installing an app to do it.

I guess he forgot that in MacOS if you long press the green button in the windows it perfectly allows you to tile it to the left or right, 50/50 and then just readjust the width

Windows can tile the window better than mac, you can just drag the window to the right or left of your screen. No need to hold the green button or amything.

I think it’s the mac’s material that they are using for the trackpad so it feels nicer like most windows laptops would use plastic but macs uses glass but one disadvantage if your rough with it i guess

I bought an XPS but unfortunately returned it for a few reasons - coil whine, poor fuzzy 4k scaling in some plugins / apps, poor quality distorting speakers, disappointing battery, fingerprint magnet fake carbon palmrest. The mac is just more polished and well rounded. I did feel the RSI from the sharp hard edges of a mac.

The fact that unboxing is a point equal to performance is mind blowing

Yep, its kinda like choosing a car acording to how cool it looks, instead of focusing on repairability, gas millage and endurance. 😅

Yeah not ok. Otherwise a solid comparison.

@Atelopusnah its even worse. Since you do look at your car everyday, especially the interiour. You unbox once. Thats it.

Right? I was also confused why he didn't give both of them a point. Both unboxings seem fine to me?

@Atelopus Its not kinda like that. Its like choosing a car according to how nice the showroom is. Its fucking ridiculous

Honestly comparing a top windows with top of mac would be more informative 😊But still a very good video!

Mac may have more score but when I had to test on different Macs how something performs, look for external pads because ports are missing on mac, it goes on my never again list. The customization, compatibility are everything. Mac is fighting with the system to get it done how you want

he literally checked the ports

When it does come to a keyboard for a Windows Laptop, Lenovo has a wonderful keyboard. The keys are just so nice to type on, not to noisy but kinds soft to the touch.

agreed. still have my trusty Lenovo P50 and the keyboard is the best i've ever used - even compared to the newer high end stuff.

Thinkpads always had the best keyboards, going back to the IBM days.

Nice video comparison. Very detailed. Wish I could have one of those laptops for my daughter for school.

After I tried laptops from apple and hp and lenovo, I can say that if you are interested in games then go with Windows, anything else go for a macbook, it's unbelievable, I'm using it for office work and 3D design, and using my desktop for gaming and also 3D design.

As a software developer compatibility is a big thing for me.. I have had macs in the past.. and they aren't even compatible with themselves, it seems that major OS updates frequently break various applications.. with Windows I have apps that I have written from the 90s that still continue to work even on Windows 11!

True, I couldn't run the backend that my old boss run at all, have to do alot of stupid hacky things with npm version and every packages of that project, that took me 2-3 days to configure, until I bought msyelf a window laptop, and could run it easily without having to configure anything except the npm version itself. And you can use WSL2 to develop web server on Linux for maximum compatibiliity!!!! How crazy is that??? You can even run Bash command on a cmd with WSL installed!!!! Like that's a deal breaker for me right there. I wish I don't need a mac to release fking IOS app. Hate that shit to the core.

Yes, because Microsoft doesn't get rid of the old libraries, which is great for compatibility, but also pretty bad for some developers. I heard a lot about how these libraries are a nightmare to work with. Also you can see how Microsoft doesn't get rid of some UI stuff and other things which were used for example on Windows 7. I am currently on Windows 11 but in some applications when I alt+tab I see Windows 7 UI show for a brief moment.

Wdym I’m running decade old Apps fine on mine.

@SH1DORI Microsoft has very little to do with libraries nor would i know what libraries they offer other than some window hooks and some stuff in C# that nobody uses .Net is dead....the x86 & x64 architectures use pretty ancient structure... but unless you're programming in machine code that really doesn't concern you.... and neither MacOS nor Windows is written in Machine Code since they dropped the dependency on Dos & Unix

I've got the MacBook shown in this video, mine's a 16GB with 1TB storage and a 70W charger. It was super difficult to get used to MacOS. I grew up on Windows, I was a gamer when I was younger. I eventually grew out of gaming, only playing a game for maybe an hour once a month. For that reason I got myself the Alienware M17, which was great. But I needed a laptop that was more... portable. So I sold it and got myself this Mac about a year ago. The battery is great with 16 hours of life, screen is crisp, the system works very well, the webcam is great, the system and software is so quick and I never encountered any error messages. When I had a Gaming PC and the Alienware laptop, I always got error messages with everything, photoshop? Yep. Installing a game? Yep. Video editing software? Yep. I got sick of it. Even though I don't use this MacBook for gaming, it's so easy to use and it feels so comfortable. Best choice I ever made. With any Windows operating system, the OS starts getting slower, need to do a format, bunch of error messages depending on what you're doing on it. Scout YouTube looking for solutions... Because of that I threw all Microsoft made relics out of my house into a dumpster and sold the ones worth any money. No more Windows machines in my house. And for gaming I've got a PS5 which I also use to play my Blu-Ray movies.

The only thing that annoys me about the mac is the ports and low storage. Like you need to pay more for more storage and its not customizable. neither the ram. I have the xps 15 and i upgraded it to 32gb ram and 4tb storage and its absolutely fast cool.

Wow, where did you get that "file fragmentation" problem in Windows from (14:11)? To the best of my knowledge, file fragmentation is a non-issue in computers that use SSD (instead of a hard disk) - an the DELL XPS most certainly uses an SSD. File fragmentation is an issue with hard disks because they use a physical arm that has to travel between the locations of different fragments of the file on the physical disk; that's not the case for SSDs, where the seek time is about 150-300-times lower (faster).

You're right: Parts of MacBooks are problems after 3 or 4 years purchased. I am from Brazil and I bought a MacBook Pro (A1706, 512 mb ssd , 16 GB Ram, 2016) that went through several repairs by Apple and now the Touch Bar is black, but when someone hit a right key in black bar, it responds. So, it's not totally burned. A quickly white flash light turns on from Touch Bar for about one second , when computer is starting and then turns black again. I already tried almost everything : Reset SMC. NVRAM, reinstall a formated internal ssd, kill processes at monitor of activities, nothing works. What do you think is most probable to fix it?: replace Touch Bar or logical board ? is it possible to be only a dirt? it could be a Bad connection? Any idea or video explaining how to fix it will be very appreciated. Thank you.

I like windows for being compatible with most everything. I’ve always loved the macs reliability though. I’ve had more of them last longer than I have your standard pc or even built pc.

i think there are some other windows laptop benefits you are forgetting about. To start, the number of options you have when buying a laptop means that, like android, you can get a device better suited for you. Additionally, you don't even have to use Windows on said laptop. Linux can get you that same level of integration that you might find on Mac, but will run faster and look better without needing to use the command line. Also, windows laptops have MUCH better upgradeability/repairability. If you really wanted to, you could buy a framework and swap out every single part, or even just a normal device and upgrade ram and ssd.

I’ve noticed that many windows laptops are going less upgradeable

​@Bob Rosswhat do you mean that ipgradeability is the same for Windoes and Mac? You havent been able to upgrade anything on a Mac dince 2017 and I get that it isnt great on newer Windows but you can still get upgradeble and repaireble Windows machines. Sorry for spelling.

THAT!

But not my Mac I can have windows and Linux all ready to boot whichever one I wish. I can run windows on my Mac, Linux or MacOS. So MacOS is the winner for me

@Dan Inghammodern macs cannot due this due to the ARM architecture. You can’t run windows natively on ARM. (I know windows for ARM exists but it’s nowhere near the same)

4:50 That webcam comparison was ridiculous. The Mac clearly had a white window open on screen or the room was completely lit up: there was no shadows on your face, your faces were evenly lit. While the Dell only had some light hitting your faces from the side - so a dark screen or brightness at its lowest. Or a darker room.

THIS, thanks god someone noticed that. He did that on purpose for sure.

@Ashwin Jayarathne hm.. I rekon u should buy it yourself and then test it yourself since you love complaining

@RBLX 1HS Eh? Isn't the purpose of reviewing something to help me decide whether I should buy it or not? How can I make that decision when the reviewer becomes biased? seems like a Mrwhosetheboss fanboy got triggered; lol

I don't think it is fair to tie them in performance, because MAC uses less power, and then penalize the Dell AGAIN in efficiency. I mean, the point in performance was largely because of it's performance unplugged. If you want to keep the tie in performance, just mention that MAC runs perfectly it's own software and that's it, going to the part where it runs better unplugged is bis in idem, as right ahead there's efficiency.

Question is which one of those is repair friendly, and cheaper to maintain.

A more in-depth and accurate analysis should be conducted when performing these tests, for various reasons, including: 1) Execution environment that specifically influences the machine. 2) Optimized hardware and software like OS release and written core (Mac and Windows) 3) Type of memory chips and SSD disks and motherboard. 4) Read and write and access times for SSD disks 5) RAM type and speed. 6) Processor and overall computer power consumption, detailing consumption of all components. 7) Device overheating in different environments at home and outside. 8) Recording all device temperatures and verifying minimum and maximum thresholds.

My company gave me a Dell XPS 15 with an I7, 3050ti, 32GB of RAM and 2TB I think of SSD. I have an engineering job and my company has thunderbolt hubs on the workstations so you always have the files with you. It's a very nice laptop but the pen thing sucks. Also the screen is, I'm too lazy to check right now, but it's 16:10 and 4K horizontal like 3920 I think.

When considering Windows laptops, it's important to note that the Dell XPS 15 isn't the only option available. For example, Framework Laptops have a modular design that allows for individual components to be upgraded, such as RAM, storage, and even the CPU. This feature extends the lifespan of the laptop and keeps it current with the latest technology, giving it an advantage over Macs which are notoriously difficult to upgrade. In addition to its modular design, Framework is dedicated to sustainability and reducing electronic waste. They also offer a transparent supply chain, which is uncommon in the tech industry. While Macs have their strengths, the flexibility, sustainability, and transparency of Framework Laptops make them a compelling choice.

replying on a framework :)

Was this comment written by a Framework representative using ChatGPT?

@Re Re probably lmao

I have a framework 13 running ubuntu and it's great!

This isn't about Mac vs Windows, it's about Mac vs Dell. And because there is much more software and programs for Windows, I use and recommend Windows. Apple also tries to lock you in, they want you to use all Apple products (iPhone, iPad, ...).

I would recommend linux xd

Macs since the M1 introduction have this terrible flaw - when using a USB audio interface/sound card the audio cuts out repeatedly when the memory usage gets above about 70%. It's to do with the chip itself. I can't believe more people are not talking about this, and that Apple aren't doing anything about it. I experience this with my 2021 14 inch pro. Such a shame, otherwise it would straight up be the best for us music producers - I love everything else about this darn computer.

How many people are plugging sound card to their Mac laptops?? Of course no one talks about it when it's a super minority. 🤦🏽‍♂

@beige fox Actually, lots. You must be quite unaware of how ubiquitous usb audio devices are.

I like most of your videos but this one I have to disagree with. The OS was not really compared (user friendliness) things you could do, gaming was not a category even though most people buying high end laptops do so for gaming. What it really comes down to is what you need a pc for. For editing maybe mac is a better choice but for gaming or school work pc maybe the better option

You could've gotten a way better Zenbook with better specs for this comparaison, like an OLED, 1080p webcam. Or pick a G14 that will beat it in simply everything, except battery life (although the AMD chip comes close).

I have a 1 year old Dell XPS 13 and it’s given me nothing but trouble. After this experience, I might finally be switching to Apple for consistency and build quality.

The compatability point is a complete deal breaker for Mac for me. Fun story for a programming exam I had this year one of my classmates who uses Mac couldn't do the assignment that he randomly got because the program didn't work on Mac.

Ios software sucks on too many levels...

⁠​⁠​⁠@solsang its coding exam and it requires simple software it has nothing to do with hardware 😂 Porting to Mac is impossible in many cases because ios is years behind in development

With simple coding Mac is the go to though. Everbody uses it

I had the exact opposite experience. Mac at least runs bash out of the box. You have to fiddle with cygwin or the stupid wsl to get bash on windows. Same thing with C programming. C compilers are just not compatible with windows by default.

@Just Jack Actually we had similar issues in uni. Because of how some features were implemented on the macos version of software we had to use bugs were introduced. In the end, they just gave us pre-configured Linux VMs.

Im a windows guy but I'd avoid dell for laptops honestly all my experiences with their products haven't been pleasent since switching to ROG I've never had problems with their build quality and Im getting some good performance

Not sure a Mac book Air is really the right choice for video editing personally, would have liked to see a top end Windows laptop vs a Mac book Pro. £1600 seems like a very arbitrary limit in this "Mac vs Windows" test.

Have you seen the benchmarks on the MacBook Air or are you just making assumptions.

@Nightly the M2 Pro benchmarks much higher than the standard M2, especially for video tasks.

Windows 11 is crazy sleek, especially on a high refresh rate display. Idk, it used to be more clear but i’m leaning Windows especially since gaming

I have friends who use excel very heavily at work. They really hated using excel on mac.. probably because it had different shortcut settings or the excel app was not as good on mac. On the other hand I as a developer like working on mac compared to windows because of the unix like system.

Just bought my Daughter a Levovo Slim with the Ryzen 9 6500 processor. Pretty fantastic laptop with lots of ports, great screen, 32gb ram, 1tb SSD, crazy good battery life for $999us. Got her a thinkpad dock, 27" LG monitor, Keychron 100% keyboard with Gateron brown's, & wireless mouse. Altogether $1300us. Nice setup for a college dorm room.

Honestly, the Mac vs Windows laptop depends a lot of type of workflow. By that i mean that if your work usually involves the same general task, with very minimal or no need for alternative software in the future, then if mac has it and you are already in the ecosystem, the discussion is practically over. However, when you have a workflow that involves a lot of new tools and experimenting constantly, you'd want that assured compatibility that windows offers, so you don't one day find out it doesn't work on your mac. That being said, I can't help but notice that you pitch this comparison for editing purposes, but then pivot to analyze stuff that's not really related to that, like the webcam. So you keep alternating between a pro user view and average joe one. And on that point, i find this comparison to have an Identity crisis, cause you're essentially comparing a device that has both its hardware and software from the same source to another where the OS is from Microsoft but the hardware is from Dell. And then bring up points of optimisation of OS on said device. I get the intention, but at this point you're not really genuinely comparing the devices themselves, but stating the obvious, that something will be more optimised if done by the same people. In all honesty, i feel this should have been with a Mac OS vs Windows comparison, analyzing the actual systems alone, OR have the Mac go against, at the very least, a Microsoft laptop, to at least have the possibility of comparing from the same starting line (referring to OS and Hardware being handled by same entity). I usually love your style of focusing on user experience a lot in your videos, but i feel that benefits more phones, where UX is arguably the biggest part of it. Because when it comes to laptops or computers in general, UX takes a step back for anyone who plans to use them for more than just the average office suite apps and net browsing, as at that point it's less about the UX of laptop itself and more about the capabilities of said apps. What i mean is, essentially, that you can't compare laptops in the same way you do phones, simply stating surface level stuff regarding the spec sheet and then just UX. Stuff like thermals, upgradability, none of which were addressed, are important. Now I don't mean nor want/expect you to go full Linus Tech Tips on analysing individual components. That's not my point. But things like: -presenting just one benchmark alone in regards to overall performance, when there's cases of some being overly optimised for Intel architecture, therefore may seem unfair to the Mac. (It can even be unfair for windows with an AMD CPU) - 0 mention of thermals, which is, arguably, one of the most important points for a laptop as that determines whether you'll even be able to use your system regardless of how optimised it is. I think this matters more than how loud or silent it is. -if we're talking video editing, actual export times Lack of these in a laptop match-up, even for general users, it makes it seem disingenuous in both directions, and I know you're not that kind of tech reviewer. Awaiting the next video. Cheers!

You literally wrote nearly a video 🙌

@Pranav Vagga for a short, most likely

You've echoed my sentiments, i feel like most of these "Tech" youtubers doesn't really understand the technology itself and are good at reviewing spec sheet, adding to above, unlike iOS vs Android, usability matters significantly in personal computing space, for ex: for STEM based applications, Mac OS is practically useless. All the tech youtubers just try to generalize and measure performance based on creative workloads as if these machines were designed only for creative.

Don't forget that the Arm Architechure and the X86 Architechure are not the the same Arm = less power consumption & less performance X86 = More performance & more power consumption Its this entire video is pretty to sum it up is Which is better a phone thats on a laptop chassis with the best phone Cpu or a premium laptop

@alphamind i wouldn't say that's bad by design necessarily. Like, I've always seen Arun and people with similar review styles as the 'tech YouTuber' for the average user' kind of person. Naturally, they'll attract people beyond the 'general user' group as well, that's a given. It's just that I felt he tried too much to apply the strategy of reviewing one product category to another without really taking into account that they require entirely different standards. In the sense that the average user of a laptop is way more technologically apt, and therefore has expectations of things beyond looking and feeling nice, than the average user for a phone, simply due to the more complex nature of a laptop. In a more extrapolate sense, it'd be like if JerryRigEverything, who started making videos related to cars here and there would go and test the durability of a screen the car has in the center console, to see how it scratches, for example, cause he does that for phones. It's not as relevant in the grand scheme of things. Or, in the opposite direction, a YouTuber reviewing a car and not once mentioning fuel consumption, in the same way this video, for some reason, avoided the topic of temperatures and high sustained load.

I think you forgot a few things : the costs for maintenance/reparability, upgradability and diversity (of devices)

13:40 you can do this on MacOS easily as well without any other apps. Just click and hold the green max-window button on the window you want to half-screen or whatever

I don't know man there is just something oddly satisfying troubleshooting and fixing the problems you encounter. And also there is just something fun about screwing around with the Windows installation.

I didn't see you talked about repair and upgradeability. MacBook is a lovely device but SSD is soldered and you have to pay the price 4x higher for SSD upgrade.

Apple states on there website that ram and SSD are soldered in and are not eligible to be upgraded by you the purchaser or even apple. They say so please make final decision before buying.

Not even soldered on, with the Apple silicon chips, they are baked into the SoC, with the technical exception of the Mac pro and Mac studio.